>> What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition flap? >> You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>> It's funny, but even funnier, and astonishing, is that Google
>> APOLOGIZED; yes, they apologized for an ALGORITHM!
>> bad algorithm, naughty algorithm!
>> Didn't Google perform due diligence before hiring, did they
>> discover any racist affiliations in its background?
>> And then they announced they'll FIX IT, toute suite!
>> Of course that sounds reasonable to Joe Sixpack, but I assume
>> everyone here understands how preposterous that is
>
> If it's what I suspect it is, they showed the algorithm a
> bunch of pictures of white guys, a bunch of pictures of chimps,
> and then released it on an unsuspecting world.
heh
It seems you have some inkling of the method.
The hot thing in AI is 'deep belief networks', which
is likely what Google uses. It's neural nets, but
they finally figured out how to build multi-layer
nets, which for various information-theory reasons,
offer superior performance.
The point is, there's no 'human' or 'gorilla' in
the code. It teaches itself, from massive databases.
Improvement means tweaking the learning algorithms.
That's why their official response is so
ludicrous... "we're sorry, we'll fix it!" In other
words, "we'll simply ratchet up the accuracy, we
hadn't thought of that before, but now, NOW, it's urgent!"
And no doubt the boys in the lab are likewise rolling
their eyeballs -
Bing 'error rate'
--
Rich
Reply by rickman●July 8, 20152015-07-08
On 7/7/2015 3:31 PM, RichD wrote:
> On July 6, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
>>> What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition
>>> flap? You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>>
>> Fyi, may be becuase they saw Wolfram release the image identification project?
>> https://www.imageidentify.com/
>
> huh?
>
>> First announced here
>> http://blog.wolfram.com/2015/05/13/wolfram-language-artificial-intelligence-the-image-identification-project/
>>
>> ""What is this a picture of?" Humans can usually answer such
>> questions instantly
>
> yep, instantly and easily.
> For instance, we wouldn't tolerate Robo-cop, because
> who would trust a machine's image processing and
> decision making, for such crucial duty? Like, what
> if it had to distinguish a toy gun from a real, a
> potential tragedy? Only a man can do a man's job -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwCASkcKs4w
>
>
> ditto with self-drive cars - think of the hazard,
> the injury, with a computer at the steering wheel!
> No sir, give me reliable organic tissue -
Rather dry sense of humor you have there.
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Rick
Reply by RichD●July 7, 20152015-07-07
On July 6, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
> > What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition
> > flap? You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>
> Fyi, may be becuase they saw Wolfram release the image identification project?
> https://www.imageidentify.com/
yep, instantly and easily.
For instance, we wouldn't tolerate Robo-cop, because
who would trust a machine's image processing and
decision making, for such crucial duty? Like, what
if it had to distinguish a toy gun from a real, a
potential tragedy? Only a man can do a man's job -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwCASkcKs4w
ditto with self-drive cars - think of the hazard,
the injury, with a computer at the steering wheel!
No sir, give me reliable organic tissue -
--
Rich
Reply by rickman●July 6, 20152015-07-06
On 7/5/2015 11:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition
> flap? You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>
> It's funny, but even funnier, and astonishing, is that Google
> APOLOGIZED; yes, they apologized for an ALGORITHM!
> bad algorithm, naughty algorithm! hmmmm... why doesn't
> the algorithm issue its own apology, why go through corporate PR?
>
> Didn't Google perform due diligence before hiring, did they
> discover any racist affiliations in its background?
>
> And then they announced they'll FIX IT, toute suite! Of
> course that sounds reasonable to Joe Sixpack, but I
> assume everyone here understands how preposterous
> that is. on many levels -
I found something even sillier! That anyone gives a rat's ass about it!!!
--
Rick
Reply by Nasser M. Abbasi●July 6, 20152015-07-06
On 7/5/2015 10:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition
> flap? You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>
>What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition
>flap? You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>
>It's funny, but even funnier, and astonishing, is that Google
>APOLOGIZED; yes, they apologized for an ALGORITHM!
>bad algorithm, naughty algorithm! hmmmm... why doesn't
>the algorithm issue its own apology, why go through corporate PR?
>
>Didn't Google perform due diligence before hiring, did they
>discover any racist affiliations in its background?
>
>And then they announced they'll FIX IT, toute suite! Of
>course that sounds reasonable to Joe Sixpack, but I
>assume everyone here understands how preposterous
>that is. on many levels -
Hi,
That must be the same algorithm IPCC used to
predict global warming.
[-Rick-]
Reply by Tim Wescott●July 6, 20152015-07-06
On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 20:13:32 -0700, RichD wrote:
> What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition flap? You
> know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
>
> It's funny, but even funnier, and astonishing, is that Google
> APOLOGIZED; yes, they apologized for an ALGORITHM!
> bad algorithm, naughty algorithm! hmmmm... why doesn't the algorithm
> issue its own apology, why go through corporate PR?
>
> Didn't Google perform due diligence before hiring, did they discover any
> racist affiliations in its background?
>
> And then they announced they'll FIX IT, toute suite! Of course that
> sounds reasonable to Joe Sixpack, but I assume everyone here understands
> how preposterous that is. on many levels -
Linx?
If it's what I suspect it is, they showed the algorithm a bunch of
pictures of white guys, a bunch of pictures of chimps, and then released
it on an unsuspecting world.
Because, after all, "human" is what you find in an office tower in San
Jose, yes?
--
www.wescottdesign.com
Reply by RichD●July 6, 20152015-07-06
What, no comments on the recent Google Image Recognition
flap? You know, which identified a pair of black hominids as gorillas -
It's funny, but even funnier, and astonishing, is that Google
APOLOGIZED; yes, they apologized for an ALGORITHM!
bad algorithm, naughty algorithm! hmmmm... why doesn't
the algorithm issue its own apology, why go through corporate PR?
Didn't Google perform due diligence before hiring, did they
discover any racist affiliations in its background?
And then they announced they'll FIX IT, toute suite! Of
course that sounds reasonable to Joe Sixpack, but I
assume everyone here understands how preposterous
that is. on many levels -
--
Rich