Here is what i have, a measurement of a distance from an external sensor at a lower sampling rate and acceleration measurements from accelerometer ( IMU at a higher rate). How can i use a kalman filter to fuse these to produce a good estimate of the position travelled. What would be A, B, H, R, Q if i were to use a kalman filter. Any help will be appreciated.

# Kalman Filter and INS

Started by ●April 13, 2009

Reply by ●April 14, 20092009-04-14

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:04:18 -0500, arvkr wrote:> Here is what i have, a measurement of a distance from an external sensor > at a lower sampling rate and acceleration measurements from > accelerometer ( IMU at a higher rate). How can i use a kalman filter to > fuse these to produce a good estimate of the position travelled. What > would be A, B, H, R, Q if i were to use a kalman filter. Any help will > be appreciated.First, why don't you model the system? Model it as if you weren't using the Kalman, but as if you cared about the quantity that the Kalman is measuring. This means you should include the outputs that you really care about (or just note them if they're states), and include an output of the predicted value of the measurement that you're going to take. -- http://www.wescottdesign.com

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> >First, why don't you model the system? Model it as if you weren't using>the Kalman, but as if you cared about the quantity that the Kalman is >measuring. This means you should include the outputs that you really >care about (or just note them if they're states), and include an output >of the predicted value of the measurement that you're going to take. > >-- >http://www.wescottdesign.com >My states would be x(k) = [pos vel acc]; state equations would be x(k) = A*x(k-1) + B * u(k) + w(k) Measurement equations z(k) = H*x(k) + v(k) ( process noise) now if we assume the model to be pos(k) = pos(k-1) + deltaT*vel(k-1) + deltaT^2/2*acc(k-1); vel(k) = vel(k-1)+ deltaT*acc(k-1) acc(k) = acc(k) then A would be A = [1 Δt Δt^2/2 0 1 Δt 0 0 1 ] would my H be H = [ 1 0 0 0 0 1] and my Z be Z = [ distMeasured 0 0 accMeasured] R = [var(distMeasured) 0 0 var(accMeasured)] Q = ? and what would be my initial covariance as initializing values seem crucial.

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arvkr wrote:>> First, why don't you model the system? Model it as if you weren't using > >> the Kalman, but as if you cared about the quantity that the Kalman is >> measuring. This means you should include the outputs that you really >> care about (or just note them if they're states), and include an output >> of the predicted value of the measurement that you're going to take. >> >> -- >> http://www.wescottdesign.com >> > > My states would be > x(k) = [pos > vel > acc]; > state equations would be > x(k) = A*x(k-1) + B * u(k) + w(k) > > Measurement equations > z(k) = H*x(k) + v(k) ( process noise) > > now if we assume the model to be > pos(k) = pos(k-1) + deltaT*vel(k-1) + deltaT^2/2*acc(k-1); > vel(k) = vel(k-1)+ deltaT*acc(k-1) > acc(k) = acc(k) > > then A would be > A = [1 Δt Δt^2/2 > 0 1 Δt > 0 0 1 ] > > would my H be > H = [ 1 0 0 > 0 0 1] > and my Z be > Z = [ distMeasured 0 > 0 accMeasured] > > R = [var(distMeasured) 0 > 0 var(accMeasured)] > > Q = ? > and what would be my initial covariance as initializing values seem > crucial. >Two questions: One: Why is acceleration a state? I thought you were measuring it. Two: If you _are_ measuring acceleration, how do you know what direction it's coming from? IOW with an accelerometer you can measure acceleration with respect to your vehicle frame of motion, but doesn't that rotate with respect to the local inertial frame? -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

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>Two questions: > >One: Why is acceleration a state? I thought you were measuring it.You are right. I am measuring it and prob should have the state as acc bias to estimate the bias. This is where i am struggling with since i don't seem to understand kalman filter fully and i have read several articles on the web, still haven't been able to fully get a grip on it.

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arvkr wrote:>> Two questions: >> >> One: Why is acceleration a state? I thought you were measuring it. > > You are right. I am measuring it and prob should have the state as acc > bias to estimate the bias. This is where i am struggling with since i don't > seem to understand kalman filter fully and i have read several articles on > the web, still haven't been able to fully get a grip on it.I have one book that talks about nothing but optimal state estimation (i.e. the Kalman filter and it's extended family), another that goes into detection, estimation and modulation theory (which has you derive Kalman filters as homework problems in at least two places), a couple of adaptive control books (that treat the system identification phase of adaptive control as a Kalman filtering problem), a book on strapdown inertial navigation (which mostly talks about devices, but which has an excellent section on translating combined gyro and accelerometer data into just the sort of model you need), and access to the entire world wide web. This is backed up by a career doing various sorts of signal detection and estimation problems, building advanced control systems from scratch, and other related activity. After all this, while I feel that I'm more than good enough to charge people money to design Kalman filtering algorithms I still don't feel I have wrapped my arms completely around the problem. I doubt that I would even if I won the lottery tomorrow, got my PhD in optimal estimation, and spent the rest of my life teaching and doing research. So I don't know if it's realistic for anyone to expect to figure this out by asking questions on USENET and reading web pages. I'm not even sure if I can recommend just one book -- I think to do what you want to do you need at least Dan Simon's book and a good book on strapdown inertial nav systems. Even then you'll find Simon's book to be an uphill battle unless you have a good grounding in stochastic process theory and state-space control -- so expect to do some supplementary reading. Further, I have yet to find a book on strapdown inertial navigation theory that gives a blow-by-blow analysis of an inertial navigation Kalman solution -- the one I have is the best of the lot, but it sure doesn't give an ABC description. Here's my bibliography -- the two end ones are currently on my 'essential reading' list for inertial nav stuff. Dan Simon, "Optimal State Estimation", Wiley 2006: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471708582 Harry Van Trees, "Detection, Estimation, and Modulation Theory", Wiley, 1968: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471463825 Karl Astrom & Bjorn Wittenmark, "Adaptive Control", Addison-Wesley, 1995: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780486462783 Bitmead, Gevers, Wertz, "Adaptive Optimal Control, The Thinking Man's GPC", Prentice-Hall, 1990: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/0139468234 Titterton, D. H. and Weston, J. L., "Strapdown Inertial Navigation Technology", AIAA, 2004: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780863413582 -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

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>arvkr wrote: >>> Two questions: >>> >>> One: Why is acceleration a state? I thought you were measuring it. >> >> You are right. I am measuring it and prob should have the state as acc >> bias to estimate the bias. This is where i am struggling with since idon't>> seem to understand kalman filter fully and i have read several articleson>> the web, still haven't been able to fully get a grip on it. > >I have one book that talks about nothing but optimal state estimation >(i.e. the Kalman filter and it's extended family), another that goes >into detection, estimation and modulation theory (which has you derive >Kalman filters as homework problems in at least two places), a couple of>adaptive control books (that treat the system identification phase of >adaptive control as a Kalman filtering problem), a book on strapdown >inertial navigation (which mostly talks about devices, but which has an >excellent section on translating combined gyro and accelerometer data >into just the sort of model you need), and access to the entire world >wide web. > >This is backed up by a career doing various sorts of signal detection >and estimation problems, building advanced control systems from scratch,>and other related activity. > >After all this, while I feel that I'm more than good enough to charge >people money to design Kalman filtering algorithms I still don't feel I >have wrapped my arms completely around the problem. I doubt that I >would even if I won the lottery tomorrow, got my PhD in optimal >estimation, and spent the rest of my life teaching and doing research. > >So I don't know if it's realistic for anyone to expect to figure this >out by asking questions on USENET and reading web pages. I'm not even >sure if I can recommend just one book -- I think to do what you want to >do you need at least Dan Simon's book and a good book on strapdown >inertial nav systems. > >Even then you'll find Simon's book to be an uphill battle unless you >have a good grounding in stochastic process theory and state-space >control -- so expect to do some supplementary reading. Further, I have >yet to find a book on strapdown inertial navigation theory that gives a >blow-by-blow analysis of an inertial navigation Kalman solution -- the >one I have is the best of the lot, but it sure doesn't give an ABC >description. > >Here's my bibliography -- the two end ones are currently on my >'essential reading' list for inertial nav stuff. > >Dan Simon, "Optimal State Estimation", Wiley 2006: >http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471708582 > >Harry Van Trees, "Detection, Estimation, and Modulation Theory", Wiley, >1968: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471463825 > >Karl Astrom & Bjorn Wittenmark, "Adaptive Control", Addison-Wesley, >1995: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780486462783 > >Bitmead, Gevers, Wertz, "Adaptive Optimal Control, The Thinking Man's >GPC", Prentice-Hall, 1990: >http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/0139468234 > >Titterton, D. H. and Weston, J. L., "Strapdown Inertial Navigation >Technology", AIAA, 2004: >http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780863413582 > >-- > >Tim Wescott >Wescott Design Services >http://www.wescottdesign.com > >Do you need to implement control loops in software? >"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. >See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html >Thanks a lot for the list of books, i will definitely take a look at them. As you said, web searches etc help only to a certain extent, i came across this book on the google books Estimation with applications to tracking and navigation http://books.google.ca/books?id=xz9nQ4wdXG4C&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=kalman+filter+step+by+step&source=bl&ots=VnU1u3e6uZ&sig=WTZ3IS1DDcNIPAbvZBiBgnuU1is&hl=en&ei=FZDkScu3DZ_ulQf1koHgDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA253,M1 have you read this one before and if so how did u find it?

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arvkr wrote:>> arvkr wrote: >>>> Two questions: >>>> >>>> One: Why is acceleration a state? I thought you were measuring it. >>> You are right. I am measuring it and prob should have the state as acc >>> bias to estimate the bias. This is where i am struggling with since i > don't >>> seem to understand kalman filter fully and i have read several articles > on >>> the web, still haven't been able to fully get a grip on it. >> I have one book that talks about nothing but optimal state estimation >> (i.e. the Kalman filter and it's extended family), another that goes >> into detection, estimation and modulation theory (which has you derive >> Kalman filters as homework problems in at least two places), a couple of > >> adaptive control books (that treat the system identification phase of >> adaptive control as a Kalman filtering problem), a book on strapdown >> inertial navigation (which mostly talks about devices, but which has an >> excellent section on translating combined gyro and accelerometer data >> into just the sort of model you need), and access to the entire world >> wide web. >> >> This is backed up by a career doing various sorts of signal detection >> and estimation problems, building advanced control systems from scratch, > >> and other related activity. >> >> After all this, while I feel that I'm more than good enough to charge >> people money to design Kalman filtering algorithms I still don't feel I >> have wrapped my arms completely around the problem. I doubt that I >> would even if I won the lottery tomorrow, got my PhD in optimal >> estimation, and spent the rest of my life teaching and doing research. >> >> So I don't know if it's realistic for anyone to expect to figure this >> out by asking questions on USENET and reading web pages. I'm not even >> sure if I can recommend just one book -- I think to do what you want to >> do you need at least Dan Simon's book and a good book on strapdown >> inertial nav systems. >> >> Even then you'll find Simon's book to be an uphill battle unless you >> have a good grounding in stochastic process theory and state-space >> control -- so expect to do some supplementary reading. Further, I have >> yet to find a book on strapdown inertial navigation theory that gives a >> blow-by-blow analysis of an inertial navigation Kalman solution -- the >> one I have is the best of the lot, but it sure doesn't give an ABC >> description. >> >> Here's my bibliography -- the two end ones are currently on my >> 'essential reading' list for inertial nav stuff. >> >> Dan Simon, "Optimal State Estimation", Wiley 2006: >> http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471708582 >> >> Harry Van Trees, "Detection, Estimation, and Modulation Theory", Wiley, >> 1968: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471463825 >> >> Karl Astrom & Bjorn Wittenmark, "Adaptive Control", Addison-Wesley, >> 1995: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780486462783 >> >> Bitmead, Gevers, Wertz, "Adaptive Optimal Control, The Thinking Man's >> GPC", Prentice-Hall, 1990: >> http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/0139468234 >> >> Titterton, D. H. and Weston, J. L., "Strapdown Inertial Navigation >> Technology", AIAA, 2004: >> http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780863413582 >> >> -- >> >> Tim Wescott >> Wescott Design Services >> http://www.wescottdesign.com >> >> Do you need to implement control loops in software? >> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. >> See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html >> > > Thanks a lot for the list of books, i will definitely take a look at > them. > As you said, web searches etc help only to a certain extent, i came across > this book on the google books > > Estimation with applications to tracking and navigation > http://books.google.ca/books?id=xz9nQ4wdXG4C&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=kalman+filter+step+by+step&source=bl&ots=VnU1u3e6uZ&sig=WTZ3IS1DDcNIPAbvZBiBgnuU1is&hl=en&ei=FZDkScu3DZ_ulQf1koHgDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA253,M1 > > have you read this one before and if so how did u find it?I haven't seen it before. I like the table of contents, though. If the writing is clear it may be a good one to get in lieu of the Simon book (although I _really_ like Simon's clarity, and his attitude about how far so-called 'optimal' methods will take you). I didn't see anything in the table of contents that indicates that they directly address your problem, but it's extensive, and I only skimmed it. The "Application to Navigation" part should certainly be what you're looking for. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

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Tim Wescott schrieb:> arvkr wrote: >>> arvkr wrote: >>>>> Two questions: >>>>> >>>>> One: Why is acceleration a state? I thought you were measuring it. >>>> You are right. I am measuring it and prob should have the state as acc >>>> bias to estimate the bias. This is where i am struggling with since i >> don't >>>> seem to understand kalman filter fully and i have read several articles >> on >>>> the web, still haven't been able to fully get a grip on it. >>> I have one book that talks about nothing but optimal state estimation >>> (i.e. the Kalman filter and it's extended family), another that goes >>> into detection, estimation and modulation theory (which has you >>> derive Kalman filters as homework problems in at least two places), a >>> couple of >> >>> adaptive control books (that treat the system identification phase of >>> adaptive control as a Kalman filtering problem), a book on strapdown >>> inertial navigation (which mostly talks about devices, but which has >>> an excellent section on translating combined gyro and accelerometer >>> data into just the sort of model you need), and access to the entire >>> world wide web. >>> >>> This is backed up by a career doing various sorts of signal detection >>> and estimation problems, building advanced control systems from scratch, >> >>> and other related activity. >>> >>> After all this, while I feel that I'm more than good enough to charge >>> people money to design Kalman filtering algorithms I still don't feel >>> I have wrapped my arms completely around the problem. I doubt that I >>> would even if I won the lottery tomorrow, got my PhD in optimal >>> estimation, and spent the rest of my life teaching and doing research. >>> >>> So I don't know if it's realistic for anyone to expect to figure this >>> out by asking questions on USENET and reading web pages. I'm not >>> even sure if I can recommend just one book -- I think to do what you >>> want to do you need at least Dan Simon's book and a good book on >>> strapdown inertial nav systems. >>> >>> Even then you'll find Simon's book to be an uphill battle unless you >>> have a good grounding in stochastic process theory and state-space >>> control -- so expect to do some supplementary reading. Further, I >>> have yet to find a book on strapdown inertial navigation theory that >>> gives a blow-by-blow analysis of an inertial navigation Kalman >>> solution -- the one I have is the best of the lot, but it sure >>> doesn't give an ABC description. >>> >>> Here's my bibliography -- the two end ones are currently on my >>> 'essential reading' list for inertial nav stuff. >>> >>> Dan Simon, "Optimal State Estimation", Wiley 2006: >>> http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471708582 >>> >>> Harry Van Trees, "Detection, Estimation, and Modulation Theory", >>> Wiley, 1968: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780471463825 >>> >>> Karl Astrom & Bjorn Wittenmark, "Adaptive Control", Addison-Wesley, >>> 1995: http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780486462783 >>> >>> Bitmead, Gevers, Wertz, "Adaptive Optimal Control, The Thinking Man's >>> GPC", Prentice-Hall, 1990: >>> http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/0139468234 >>> >>> Titterton, D. H. and Weston, J. L., "Strapdown Inertial Navigation >>> Technology", AIAA, 2004: >>> http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/biblio/9780863413582 >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Tim Wescott >>> Wescott Design Services >>> http://www.wescottdesign.com >>> >>> Do you need to implement control loops in software? >>> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. >>> See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html >>> >> >> Thanks a lot for the list of books, i will definitely take a look at >> them. >> As you said, web searches etc help only to a certain extent, i came >> across >> this book on the google books >> >> Estimation with applications to tracking and navigation >> http://books.google.ca/books?id=xz9nQ4wdXG4C&pg=PA219&lpg=PA219&dq=kalman+filter+step+by+step&source=bl&ots=VnU1u3e6uZ&sig=WTZ3IS1DDcNIPAbvZBiBgnuU1is&hl=en&ei=FZDkScu3DZ_ulQf1koHgDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8#PPA253,M1 >> >> >> have you read this one before and if so how did u find it? > > I haven't seen it before. I like the table of contents, though. If the > writing is clear it may be a good one to get in lieu of the Simon book > (although I _really_ like Simon's clarity, and his attitude about how > far so-called 'optimal' methods will take you). > > I didn't see anything in the table of contents that indicates that they > directly address your problem, but it's extensive, and I only skimmed > it. The "Application to Navigation" part should certainly be what > you're looking for. >The books of Bar-Shalom are a good choice if you are dealing with tracking problems. I have worked with this one: http://www.amazon.de/Estimation-Applications-Tracking-Navigation-Algorithms/dp/047141655X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1239735289&sr=8-1 A good overview of tracking problems in practice is this one: http://www.amazon.de/Design-Analysis-Tracking-Systems-Library/dp/1580530060/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books-intl-de&qid=1239735366&sr=1-1 I have used both for my diploma thesis and they are easy to understand if you have a solid background in statistics and signal processing. But I have not designed a Kalman Filter from sketch but I only did some preprocessing and parametrization so my knowledge is quite limited. But Tim is right you won't find everything you need in one book a good book about optimal estimation in general is good to have a look at to understand the whole theory.

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"arvkr" <krarvind@gmail.com> writes:> [...]Here's an old, but accessible text on the subject: @book{brown, title = "Introduction to Random Signal Analysis and Kalman Filtering", author = "{Robert~Grover~Brown}", publisher = "John Wiley and Sons", year = "1983"} -- % Randy Yates % "She's sweet on Wagner-I think she'd die for Beethoven. %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % She love the way Puccini lays down a tune, and %%% 919-577-9882 % Verdi's always creepin' from her room." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % "Rockaria", *A New World Record*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com