rbj-->> Wow! Cool Stuff, was this guy a soldier by any chance? Seems like it!>this isn't just U.S. history (which you should not be expected to be >fluent in), but it's world history. what MacArthur was in the Pacific >theatre of WW2, Eisenhower was of the European theatre. maybe check >your WW2 history.Am only 28, I will read in time. If you were refering to my schooling and history lessons thereof, well,at school our idea of world History never went beyond dates and events.We never understood personalities, except for Hitler. So the real history thirst for me started only after I was about 25. And I found J.M Robert's "20th Century History" only a year back...so yeah,there is so much to learn and slow progress...For example for the past few months I have been trying hard to find info on Cuban Revolution and Ernesto Che Guevera(yeah, Motor Cycle Diaries!) and dont know where to look for the south american, non-terroristic view point... Yeah, takes time...but hopefuly will understand the world history one day, completely. Till then bear with my curiosity and dont be offended and tell me about Eisenhower if you can. --Bhooshan This message was sent using the Comp.DSP web interface on www.DSPRelated.com
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bhooshaniyer wrote:> Wow! Cool Stuff, was this guy a soldier by any chance? Seems like it! > unfortunately my understanding of American Politics starts only from > Vietnam and upwards( triggered by the intrigue surrounding the Jason > Bourne series written by ...I forget his name.You know who!) so this > Eisenhower stuff is new to me.Very interesting!Yes, he was a soldier. He was Supreme Allied Commander in WW II in Europe, later first head of NATO, which post he resigned to become president of Columbia University*. He made those remarks in his farewell speech after two terms as President of the United States. Jerry ________________________________ * He was offered the job because of a miscommunication. The search committee had settled on his brother Milton, then president of U Penn at the time (later, Johns Hopkins). The secretary was told to offer the job to "Eisenhower", which meant one thing to eggheads on search committees and something else to the rest of us. The letter was apparently signed without the inside address having been read by the signer. Dwight D. accepted; that was the first that the committee realized the mistake. They were stuck. (I knew the secretary third hand.) Eisenhower must have found out about it eventually, but he was always a gentleman. Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
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robert bristow-johnson wrote:> in article peCdnYHkm7cMuwrfRVn-sg@rcn.net, Jerry Avins at jya@ieee.org wrote > on 05/27/2005 09:54: > > >>>In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of >>>unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the >>>military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of >>>misplaced power exists and will persist. >> >>Add one of the simplest: "Beware of the military-industrial complex." > > > i actually was looking for something like that (Googled Eisenhower with > "military-industrial complex" together). i think that phrase is a > distillation of the one that i quoted, but, of course, i cannot be sure. i > was _born_ when Eisenhower was prez, you probably remember these quotes > first hand.I heard it live on the radio. I was ten years out of high school. http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●May 28, 20052005-05-28
"robert bristow-johnson" <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote in message news:BEBC8BB4.7ADF%rbj@audioimagination.com...> > dunno why you are blaming the Democrats (perhaps for being > spineless, that > would fit). it's the Republicans who are so hypocritical > and forgetful of > their own heritage. Eisenhower and Lincoln and T > Roosevelt must all be > spinning in their graves. >TR was a Populist. He was contemptuous of the Fat Cat Republicans. His trust-busting activities and the hatred dumped on him by America's plutocracy were well-known. He created the National Park System and a lot of other things that the current crop of left-wing loonies and right-wing robbers have mostly managed to destroy. He may have been the only American President worth voting for.
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in article S_Zle.39534$CR5.24415@bignews1.bellsouth.net, John E. Hadstate at jh113355@hotmail.com wrote on 05/28/2005 09:11:> "robert bristow-johnson" <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote in > message news:BEBC8BB4.7ADF%rbj@audioimagination.com... >> >> dunno why you are blaming the Democrats (perhaps for being >> spineless, that >> would fit). it's the Republicans who are so hypocritical >> and forgetful of >> their own heritage. Eisenhower and Lincoln and T >> Roosevelt must all be >> spinning in their graves. >> > > TR was a Populist.with a capital "P"? i thought he was first in the GOP and then, in a later unsuccessful run, in his own Bull Moose Party.> He was contemptuous of the Fat Cat Republicans.precisely> His trust-busting activities and the hatred > dumped on him by America's plutocracy were well-known.precisely.> He created the National Park System and a lot of other things > that the current crop of left-wing loonies and right-wing > robbers have mostly managed to destroy.what, that TR created, did the left destroy? i can't think of a thing. but i sure can think of a few concepts of TR that his own party is destroying (like let's drill the fuck outa ANWR, screw the wildlife there, they don't vote anyway). soon they'll dismantle the anti-trust laws.> He may have been > the only American President worth voting for.oh, i dunno. but i maintain my original thesis. TR and Lincoln and Eisenhower, ALL Republican presidents, must all be spinning in their graves at the Abomination that has taken over their party (and the levers of power in the nation) today. just disgusting. (i'm wondering how long it will be until we all have to wear little red armbands with a little $ sign and an elephant on it. the knee-high leather boots will come next.) -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Reply by ●May 28, 20052005-05-28
robert bristow-johnson wrote:>[SNIP] >TR >> created the National Park System and a lot of other things>>that the current crop of left-wing loonies and right-wing >>robbers have mostly managed to destroy. > > > what, that TR created, did the left destroy? [snip]How about the national parks ? Not the NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM, but the parks themselves. Their knee jerk reaction to *ANY* cutting in forests to reduce fire load makes me wonder. Then again they rant about 'global warming' and CO2 emissions but then oppose any consideration of nuclear power. Last I heard, a nuke had *ZERO* greenhouse gas emission. Nuclear power has its technical problems. They are not being solved because a the Luddite Left doesn't want it considered as an option. I think the Left is its own worst enemy. BTW I get myself in frequent trouble as conservative place me to left of Clinton and liberals place me to right of Goldwater ;)
Reply by ●May 28, 20052005-05-28
Richard Owlett wrote:> > robert bristow-johnson wrote: > > >[SNIP] > > > TR >> created the National Park System and a lot of other things > >>that the current crop of left-wing loonies and right-wing > >>robbers have mostly managed to destroy. > > > > > > what, that TR created, did the left destroy? [snip] > > How about the national parks ? Not the NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM, but the > parks themselves. > > Their knee jerk reaction to *ANY* cutting in forests to reduce fire load > makes me wonder. >Fire has been a part of those forests forever. The timber industry tells you that those forests can't survive without their intervention and your dumb enough to believe that.> Then again they rant about 'global warming' and CO2 emissions but then > oppose any consideration of nuclear power. Last I heard, a nuke had > *ZERO* greenhouse gas emission. > > Nuclear power has its technical problems. They are not being solved > because a the Luddite Left doesn't want it considered as an option.No one (the left or anyone else) is preventing the construction of nuclear power plants. If there was an expectation of good economic return they would be built. The reality is the energy industries are doing just fine selling you power in other forms - they are really not interested in nuclear power. And its not the left but the right that is throwing up roadblocks to the development of nuclear power in other nations.> > I think the Left is its own worst enemy. >You got that one right. The left is dumb enough to take the blame for all kinds of things they really have no control over (like nuclear power). Here's another example: No new oil refineries have been built in almost 30 years. The left and the "clean air act" get the blame. The reality is the left had nothing to do with writing the "clean air act" and since no new refineries that conform to the act have ever been built no air has ever been cleaned. But the oil companies who are the ones who actually wrote the law have reaped billions in savings and billions more in artificially high prices due to shortages in refining capacity. So where was the left while these laws were being passed? They were all distracted - foaming at the mouth trying to get Nixon impeached. And the left takes the blame for our reliance on foreign oil instead of domestic reserves as if the left has any control over that, and as if it isn't in the oil industry's best interest to buy foreign oil while its cheap and save our own for when the price is much higher. -jim> BTW I get myself in frequent trouble as conservative place me to left of > Clinton and liberals place me to right of Goldwater ;)----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----
Reply by ●May 28, 20052005-05-28
Richard Owlett wrote:> robert bristow-johnson wrote: > >> [SNIP] >> > TR >> created the National Park System and a lot of other things > >>> that the current crop of left-wing loonies and right-wing >>> robbers have mostly managed to destroy. >> >> >> >> what, that TR created, did the left destroy? [snip] > > > How about the national parks ? Not the NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM, but the > parks themselves. > > Their knee jerk reaction to *ANY* cutting in forests to reduce fire load > makes me wonder.Most of the "knee-jerk" environmentalists I know favor controlled burns. What they protest is logging at give-away prices with fire control as an excuse.> Then again they rant about 'global warming' and CO2 emissions but then > oppose any consideration of nuclear power. Last I heard, a nuke had > *ZERO* greenhouse gas emission.Where do you propose to dump the ashes?> Nuclear power has its technical problems. They are not being solved > because a the Luddite Left doesn't want it considered as an option.Who said? When has left-wing opinion held sway in board rooms and government?> I think the Left is its own worst enemy. > > BTW I get myself in frequent trouble as conservative place me to left of > Clinton and liberals place me to right of Goldwater ;)As the florist said, with fronds like you, who needs anemones? It took a lot of agitation from "liberals" to save places like Yosemite. It probably couldn't happen now. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●May 28, 20052005-05-28
in article 119i09fs134ie32@corp.supernews.com, Richard Owlett at rowlett@atlascomm.net wrote on 05/28/2005 19:39:> I think the Left is its own worst enemy.sorry, Richard. i ain't gonna bite. Jim did a good enough job systematically setting that aside.> BTW I get myself in frequent trouble as conservative place me to left of > Clinton and liberals place me to right of Goldwaterit ain't hard to get to the left of Clinton. in 92 and 96 we had our choice between one Republican candidate for President and another Republican candidate for President. and sure enough, when one Republican runs against another Republican, it's the Republican that always wins. there was welfare "reform", "the era of big-government is over", "we will seek the death penalty", bombing the fuck outa a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan and we wonder why they hate us, there was the big lie that they didn't know that genocide was taking place in Rwanda, failed health-care policy even when they had a Democratic congress. i voted for this closet Republican in the general elections but i voted Tsongas in the 92 and Brown in the 96 primaries. they couldn't even get a 5 cent gas tax (as part of a carbon fuel tax) passed when what we needed (when gas was 89 cents in NJ in the 90s) was a 50 cent tax phased in. then we wouldn't have all these worthless Hummers and SUVs depleting all of our fossil fuel reserves. Richard, this is such a great example for how right our national perspective is skewed if you think that being left of Clinton is left at all. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Reply by ●May 29, 20052005-05-29
"robert bristow-johnson" <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote in message news:BEBDFBC1.7B64%rbj@audioimagination.com...> >> He created the National Park System and a lot of other >> things >> that the current crop of left-wing loonies and right-wing >> robbers have mostly managed to destroy. > > what, that TR created, did the left destroy? i can't > think of a thing. butThe only fully functional, successful, profitable, self-perpetuating, socialist system the world has ever seen that did not have to be maintained by force. (It did require protection, which the left declined to provide, from enemies outside the system some of whom are now actively plundering it. Ironically, the plunderers are Communists.)
