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perceptual weigting

Started by tilak shetty May 31, 2000
hello friends,
this is about PERCEPTUAL WEIGHTING in
g729.
i know that perceptual weigting is used for
manipulate the noise floor with respect to the
signal.
can anyobody tell me how exactly it will manipulate
the noise level.
kindly solve my problem
your sincearly
-tilak
email:

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Hi,
This is my understanding.

If you see the spectrum of voiced speech , it has 3-5 peaks
at formant frequencies and correspoding valleys. Now,
the quantization/coding noise (error) is almost white. If
the noise level exceeds the signal level (which is more likely
at the valleys of speech spectrum), then noise will be perceived
by the human ear. To avoid this, we use the perceptual wgt filter,
which shapes the noise spectrum to follow the speech spectrum.
Bascially the filter shapes the noise so as to put more noise power
under the peaks( of speech spectrum) and less noise at the valleys.
This is making use of MASKING EFFECT of human ear. A signal
with high power MASKS signals with lower power and human ear can
only perceive the signal with higher power. In this case, we
are making sure that the singal power is more than that of noise even
at the valley frequencies, which may not be the case without the
wgt. filter. If you see, even the equation of wgt. filter is
derived from the LPC filter, which represents the speech spectrum.

Anyone, Please correct me, if wrong or you even can add more to this.

Regards
Suresh --- In , tilak shetty <shettytilak@y...>
wrote:
> hello friends,
> this is about PERCEPTUAL WEIGHTING in
> g729.
> i know that perceptual weigting is used for
> manipulate the noise floor with respect to the
> signal.
> can anyobody tell me how exactly it will manipulate
> the noise level.
> kindly solve my problem
> your sincearly
> -tilak
> email:shettytilak@y...
>
> __________________________________________________
>





Hi,
Your understanding of Perceptual weigting is correct. I would like to add
that the phenomenon of masking is widely used in audio coders like MPEG,
AT&T PAC etc. to shape quantization noise in such a way that it is
inaudible.
Regards,
Satheesh.S -----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:58 AM
To:
Subject: [speechcoding] Re: perceptual weigting Hi,
This is my understanding.

If you see the spectrum of voiced speech , it has 3-5 peaks
at formant frequencies and correspoding valleys. Now,
the quantization/coding noise (error) is almost white. If
the noise level exceeds the signal level (which is more likely
at the valleys of speech spectrum), then noise will be perceiveid
by the human ear. To avoid this, we use the perceptual wgt filter,
which shapes the noise spectrum to follow the speech spectrum.
Bascially the filter shapes the noise so as to put more noise power
under the peaks( of speech spectrum) and less noise at the valleys.
This is making use of MASKING EFFECT of human ear. A signal
with high power MASKS signals with lower power and human ear can
only perceive the signal with higher power. In this case, we
are making sure that the singal power is more than that of noise even
at the valley frequencies, which may not be the case without the
wgt. filter. If you see, even the equation of wgt. filter is
derived from the LPC filter, which represents the speech spectrum.

Anyone, Please correct me, if wrong or you even can add more to this.

Regards
Suresh --- In , tilak shetty <shettytilak@y...>
wrote:
> hello friends,
> this is about PERCEPTUAL WEIGHTING in
> g729.
> i know that perceptual weigting is used for
> manipulate the noise floor with respect to the
> signal.
> can anyobody tell me how exactly it will manipulate
> the noise level.
> kindly solve my problem
> your sincearly
> -tilak
> email:shettytilak@y...
>
> __________________________________________________
>
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A good experiment is to listen to/plot the error after
speech coding. It isn't white when perceptual weighting
isn't used (in LPC coders in the approx < 8 kb/s range)
and therefore there is little shaping going on.

However, using a perceptual weighting filter limits the
length of the impulse response of the weighted synthesis
filter (perceptual filter followed by 1/A(z)) and the
importance of this may be fairly high.

In any case, the important assumption is that the coder is
operating in the high rate region. If it isn't, then noise
shaping doesn't really do the right thing.

--
wilf

satheesh wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Your understanding of Perceptual weigting is correct. I would like to add
> that the phenomenon of masking is widely used in audio coders like MPEG,
> AT&T PAC etc. to shape quantization noise in such a way that it is
> inaudible.
> Regards,
> Satheesh.S
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:58 AM
> To:
> Subject: [speechcoding] Re: perceptual weigting
>
> Hi,
> This is my understanding.
>
> If you see the spectrum of voiced speech , it has 3-5 peaks
> at formant frequencies and correspoding valleys. Now,
> the quantization/coding noise (error) is almost white. If
> the noise level exceeds the signal level (which is more likely
> at the valleys of speech spectrum), then noise will be perceiveid
> by the human ear. To avoid this, we use the perceptual wgt filter,
> which shapes the noise spectrum to follow the speech spectrum.
> Bascially the filter shapes the noise so as to put more noise power
> under the peaks( of speech spectrum) and less noise at the valleys.
> This is making use of MASKING EFFECT of human ear. A signal
> with high power MASKS signals with lower power and human ear can
> only perceive the signal with higher power. In this case, we
> are making sure that the singal power is more than that of noise even
> at the valley frequencies, which may not be the case without the
> wgt. filter. If you see, even the equation of wgt. filter is
> derived from the LPC filter, which represents the speech spectrum.
>
> Anyone, Please correct me, if wrong or you even can add more to this.
>
> Regards
> Suresh
>
> --- In , tilak shetty <shettytilak@y...>
> wrote:
> > hello friends,
> > this is about PERCEPTUAL WEIGHTING in
> > g729.
> > i know that perceptual weigting is used for
> > manipulate the noise floor with respect to the
> > signal.
> > can anyobody tell me how exactly it will manipulate
> > the noise level.
> > kindly solve my problem
> > your sincearly
> > -tilak
> > email:shettytilak@y...
> >