On 11/1/12 3:07 PM, Rick Lyons wrote:> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT), dbd<dbd@ieee.org> wrote: >...>> http://www.indjst.org/archive/vol.4.issue.8/18-aug11anilsingh.pdf >> Multistage implementation of multirate CIC filters >> Anil Singh, Poonam Singhal and Rajeev Ratan >>...> Those thieving bastards! They authors Singh, > Singhal, and Ratan not only stole a > figure directly from my March 2005 CIC article, > "Understanding cascaded integrator-comb filters", > > http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/10028/understanding-cascaded-integrator-comb-filters.html > > they copied whole paragraphs, *WORD-FOR-WORD*, from > my article. Not only are they plagiarists, they were > too stupid to change my words to make their treachery > less obvious. > > You cannot believe how much this kind of dishonesty > ticks me off.not just you. that's why i ain't voting for Rmoney.> Thanks for posting that URL Dale.Rick, i hope that you make some effort to go after these guys. i will also send an email to the editor Natarajan Gajendran <indjst@gmail.com> so that they might not think it's coming from a single disgruntled author (that shouldn't matter, but sometimes it does). i can see that their Fig. 5 is lifted directly from your article. but their Fig. 2 and Fig. 3 appears stylistically the same, but i cannot find them in your cited article. might they have been lifted from other IEEE Sig. Proc. articles, perhaps from yours? also, to save me time, could you point to the paragraphs that are copied verbatim? a search where both ends of the rope vary is much more difficult to do manually than when one end is tied down. i would invite everyone who cares about such to also write this Indian journal. i really feel that actions should have consequences. they do for me. why not for some academics who think that they're shielded from consequences across the planet. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Combining multiple CIC decimation filters in series
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Reply by ●November 3, 20122012-11-03
Reply by ●November 3, 20122012-11-03
On 11/3/2012 8:57 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:> On 11/1/12 3:07 PM, Rick Lyons wrote: >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT), dbd<dbd@ieee.org> wrote: >> > .... >>> http://www.indjst.org/archive/vol.4.issue.8/18-aug11anilsingh.pdf >>> Multistage implementation of multirate CIC filters >>> Anil Singh, Poonam Singhal and Rajeev Ratan >>> > .... >> Those thieving bastards! They authors Singh, >> Singhal, and Ratan not only stole a >> figure directly from my March 2005 CIC article, >> "Understanding cascaded integrator-comb filters", >> >> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/10028/understanding-cascaded-integrator-comb-filters.html >> >> >> they copied whole paragraphs, *WORD-FOR-WORD*, from >> my article. Not only are they plagiarists, they were >> too stupid to change my words to make their treachery >> less obvious. >> >> You cannot believe how much this kind of dishonesty >> ticks me off. > > not just you. that's why i ain't voting for Rmoney. > >> Thanks for posting that URL Dale. > > Rick, i hope that you make some effort to go after these guys. i will > also send an email to the editor > > Natarajan Gajendran <indjst@gmail.com> > > so that they might not think it's coming from a single disgruntled > author (that shouldn't matter, but sometimes it does). > > i can see that their Fig. 5 is lifted directly from your article. but > their Fig. 2 and Fig. 3 appears stylistically the same, but i cannot > find them in your cited article. might they have been lifted from other > IEEE Sig. Proc. articles, perhaps from yours? > > also, to save me time, could you point to the paragraphs that are copied > verbatim? a search where both ends of the rope vary is much more > difficult to do manually than when one end is tied down.I found a couple just by reading the first sentence or two of each paragraph. I'm not sure, but I think some other illustrations are also plagiarized from other sources, you can tell by the quality. "In CIC filters, the comb section can precede, or follow, the integrator section." "The comb section's differential delay design parameter N is typically 1 or 2 for high sample-rate ratios as is often used in up/down-converters. "> i would invite everyone who cares about such to also write this Indian > journal. i really feel that actions should have consequences. they do > for me. why not for some academics who think that they're shielded from > consequences across the planet.Not a bad idea. Numbers = power... sometimes. Rick
Reply by ●November 3, 20122012-11-03
On 11/3/2012 8:57 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:> On 11/1/12 3:07 PM, Rick Lyons wrote: >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT), dbd<dbd@ieee.org> wrote: >> > .... >>> http://www.indjst.org/archive/vol.4.issue.8/18-aug11anilsingh.pdf >>> Multistage implementation of multirate CIC filters >>> Anil Singh, Poonam Singhal and Rajeev Ratan >>> > .... >> Those thieving bastards! They authors Singh, >> Singhal, and Ratan not only stole a >> figure directly from my March 2005 CIC article, >> "Understanding cascaded integrator-comb filters", >> >> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/10028/understanding-cascaded-integrator-comb-filters.html >> >> >> they copied whole paragraphs, *WORD-FOR-WORD*, from >> my article. Not only are they plagiarists, they were >> too stupid to change my words to make their treachery >> less obvious. >> >> You cannot believe how much this kind of dishonesty >> ticks me off. > > not just you. that's why i ain't voting for Rmoney. > >> Thanks for posting that URL Dale. > > Rick, i hope that you make some effort to go after these guys. i will > also send an email to the editor > > Natarajan Gajendran <indjst@gmail.com> > > so that they might not think it's coming from a single disgruntled > author (that shouldn't matter, but sometimes it does). > > i can see that their Fig. 5 is lifted directly from your article. but > their Fig. 2 and Fig. 3 appears stylistically the same, but i cannot > find them in your cited article. might they have been lifted from other > IEEE Sig. Proc. articles, perhaps from yours? > > also, to save me time, could you point to the paragraphs that are copied > verbatim? a search where both ends of the rope vary is much more > difficult to do manually than when one end is tied down.The equations after the text "The system function for the composite CIC filter referenced to the high sampling rate, fs is:" look to me like they were copied poorly, just like the one from Rick's paper. I bet they were copied from another source. Rick
Reply by ●November 5, 20122012-11-05
Hi Rick Thank you very much for your reply. It's good to know I'm not on completely the wrong track.>Sharon, if you're interested, send me a private E-mail >and we'll arrange for me to send you the approriate >errata for your copy of my DSP book.Thanks! I've sent you a private email. Best wishes, Sharon
Reply by ●November 5, 20122012-11-05
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:46:13 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:>On 11/1/2012 3:07 PM, Rick Lyons wrote: >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT), dbd<dbd@ieee.org> wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:56:26 AM UTC-7, SRB wrote: >>>> Hi SG >>>> ... >>>> It does surprise me that I'm not finding papers on this though... >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> >>>> Sharon >>> >>> Have you tried Google? The words: >>> >>> multiple stage cic filter >>> >>> get such things as: >>> >>> http://www.indjst.org/archive/vol.4.issue.8/18-aug11anilsingh.pdf >>> Multistage implementation of multirate CIC filters >>> Anil Singh, Poonam Singhal and Rajeev Ratan >>> >> [Snipped by Lyons] >> >> Hi Dale, >> Those thieving bastards! They authors Singh, >> Singhal, and Ratan not only stole a >> figure directly from my March 2005 CIC article, >> "Understanding cascaded integrator-comb filters", >> >> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/10028/understanding-cascaded-integrator-comb-filters.html >> >> they copied whole paragraphs, *WORD-FOR-WORD*, from >> my article. Not only are they plagiarists, they were >> too stupid to change my words to make their treachery >> less obvious. >> >> You cannot believe how much this kind of dishonesty >> ticks me off. >> >> Thanks for posting that URL Dale. >> >> [-Rick-]Hi Rick,>I can definitely understand your anger. It would tick me off too. I >don't know if you did your own images for the article, but they look >like someone put a lot of time into the project, both the content and >the presentation.In my original manuscript, I supplied filter response curves and block diagrams in simple black and white form. Nothing special. It was someone at the magazine publisher that recreated my figures in their three-dimensional multicolored fancy style. The offending authors plagiarized three paragraphs from my article. What really bothered me was that after the first plagiarized paragraph the authors attributed the concepts in that paragraph to a paper by J. Vesma. The authors copied my words and gave credit to Vesma! In the second plagiarized paragraph the authors copied my words, verbatim, and gave credit to a D. Babic. Sheece!! What the heck were they thinking(!)?>Do you plan to do anything? I would at least report this to the >journal. I expect they would take this rather seriously. I know >colleges check for this stuff in course papers.On the Internet I found the E-mail address of the journal's Editor and sent him an E-mail. We'll see what happens. I assume there will be trouble ahead for the three authors. Although Rick, I imagine that only one of those authors stole my material and the other two authors are innocent. Ya' know, if those authors would have E-mailed me and asked for a copy of the stolen figure, I would have gladly sent them an electronic file of that figure. And if they'd merely referenced my article in their list of References I would not have been so ticked off. As for colleges, you're right. I've seen more than one university web site that tries to pound into the students' heads the notion that plagiarism is a VERY bad thing. See Ya', [-Rick-]
Reply by ●November 5, 20122012-11-05
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:57:26 -0400, robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote:>On 11/1/12 3:07 PM, Rick Lyons wrote: >> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT), dbd<dbd@ieee.org> wrote: >> >... >>> http://www.indjst.org/archive/vol.4.issue.8/18-aug11anilsingh.pdf >>> Multistage implementation of multirate CIC filters >>> Anil Singh, Poonam Singhal and Rajeev Ratan >>> >... >> Those thieving bastards! They authors Singh, >> Singhal, and Ratan not only stole a >> figure directly from my March 2005 CIC article, >> "Understanding cascaded integrator-comb filters", >> >> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/10028/understanding-cascaded-integrator-comb-filters.html >> >> they copied whole paragraphs, *WORD-FOR-WORD*, from >> my article. Not only are they plagiarists, they were >> too stupid to change my words to make their treachery >> less obvious. >> >> You cannot believe how much this kind of dishonesty >> ticks me off. > >not just you. that's why i ain't voting for Rmoney.Hi Robert, Please refer to him as "The esteemed Governer Romney.">> Thanks for posting that URL Dale. > >Rick, i hope that you make some effort to go after these guys. i will >also send an email to the editor > > Natarajan Gajendran <indjst@gmail.com> > >so that they might not think it's coming from a single disgruntled >author (that shouldn't matter, but sometimes it does).Thanks for your concern Robert, but you won't have to do that. The Editor has replied to my E-mail, and has demanded an explanation from the authors. We'll see what the authors have to say.> >i can see that their Fig. 5 is lifted directly from your article. but >their Fig. 2 and Fig. 3 appears stylistically the same, but i cannot >find them in your cited article. might they have been lifted from other >IEEE Sig. Proc. articles, perhaps from yours?I noticed that too. The format, the style, of all the article's figures are WILDLY different from each other. That's a bad sign. It makes me suspicious that more than one of the article's figures was copied from other sources.>also, to save me time, could you point to the paragraphs that are copied >verbatim? a search where both ends of the rope vary is much more >difficult to do manually than when one end is tied down.On the article's second page, all of the text in the Section titled "Building a CIC Filter" (a title copied from my article) was copied, verbatim, from my article.> >i would invite everyone who cares about such to also write this Indian >journal. i really feel that actions should have consequences. they do >for me. why not for some academics who think that they're shielded from >consequences across the planet.Well thanks again but, as I said, the Editor has replied to my E-mail. I don't want to cause the Editor any more heartache than he already has. See Ya', [-Rick-]
Reply by ●November 5, 20122012-11-05
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 09:54:10 -0700 (PDT), dbd <dbd@ieee.org> wrote:
[Snipped by Lyons]
>A classic example of a design process aimed at achieving a filter specification with
>resampling is the Goodman-Carey paper:
>
>IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON ACOUSTICS, SPEECH, AND SIGNAL PROCESSING, VOL. ASSP-2S, NO.2, APRIL 1977
>Nine Digital Filters for Decimation and Interpolation
>DAVID J. GOODMAN, MEMBER, IEEE, AND MICHAEL J. CAREY
Hi Dale,
I've tried more than once to understand that
Goodman and Carey paper, but I failed.
Do you understand that paper well enough to
use their method to design computationally
efficient FIR filters?
Thanks,
[-Rick-]
Reply by ●November 5, 20122012-11-05
On Mon, 05 Nov 2012 04:14:22 -0800, Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org> wrote:>On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:46:13 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > >>On 11/1/2012 3:07 PM, Rick Lyons wrote: >>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 18:31:48 -0700 (PDT), dbd<dbd@ieee.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:56:26 AM UTC-7, SRB wrote: >>>>> Hi SG >>>>> ... >>>>> It does surprise me that I'm not finding papers on this though... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks again, >>>>> >>>>> Sharon >>>> >>>> Have you tried Google? The words: >>>> >>>> multiple stage cic filter >>>> >>>> get such things as: >>>> >>>> http://www.indjst.org/archive/vol.4.issue.8/18-aug11anilsingh.pdf >>>> Multistage implementation of multirate CIC filters >>>> Anil Singh, Poonam Singhal and Rajeev Ratan >>>> >>> [Snipped by Lyons] >>> >>> Hi Dale, >>> Those thieving bastards! They authors Singh, >>> Singhal, and Ratan not only stole a >>> figure directly from my March 2005 CIC article, >>> "Understanding cascaded integrator-comb filters", >>> >>> http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/10028/understanding-cascaded-integrator-comb-filters.html >>> >>> they copied whole paragraphs, *WORD-FOR-WORD*, from >>> my article. Not only are they plagiarists, they were >>> too stupid to change my words to make their treachery >>> less obvious. >>> >>> You cannot believe how much this kind of dishonesty >>> ticks me off. >>> >>> Thanks for posting that URL Dale. >>> >>> [-Rick-] > >Hi Rick, > >>I can definitely understand your anger. It would tick me off too. I >>don't know if you did your own images for the article, but they look >>like someone put a lot of time into the project, both the content and >>the presentation. > >In my original manuscript, I supplied filter response curves >and block diagrams in simple black and white form. Nothing >special. It was someone at the magazine publisher that >recreated my figures in their three-dimensional multicolored >fancy style. > >The offending authors plagiarized three paragraphs from >my article. What really bothered me was that after >the first plagiarized paragraph the authors attributed >the concepts in that paragraph to a paper by J. Vesma. >The authors copied my words and gave credit to Vesma! > >In the second plagiarized paragraph the authors >copied my words, verbatim, and gave credit to a >D. Babic. Sheece!! What the heck were they thinking(!)? > >>Do you plan to do anything? I would at least report this to the >>journal. I expect they would take this rather seriously. I know >>colleges check for this stuff in course papers. > >On the Internet I found the E-mail address of the journal's >Editor and sent him an E-mail. We'll see what happens. >I assume there will be trouble ahead for the three authors. >Although Rick, I imagine that only one of those authors stole >my material and the other two authors are innocent. > >Ya' know, if those authors would have E-mailed me and asked >for a copy of the stolen figure, I would have gladly sent them >an electronic file of that figure. And if they'd merely referenced >my article in their list of References I would not have been so >ticked off.I do think it's notable that your article is conspicuously absent from the reference list when it's clear that they were aware of, and used material from, the article. That indicates to me that it's likely that they knew (or at least one of them knew) that what they were doing was unethical.>As for colleges, you're right. I've seen more than one university >web site that tries to pound into the students' heads the >notion that plagiarism is a VERY bad thing. > >See Ya', >[-Rick-]Eric Jacobsen Anchor Hill Communications http://www.anchorhill.com
Reply by ●November 5, 20122012-11-05
On 11/5/2012 7:42 AM, Rick Lyons wrote:> > Hi Dale, > I've tried more than once to understand that > Goodman and Carey paper, but I failed. > Do you understand that paper well enough to > use their method to design computationally > efficient FIR filters? > > Thanks, > [-Rick-]Funny how speed reading can work. When I read your post the first scan translated the first author's name into a swear word that I am reluctant to type here... lol. After reading the rest of your post, perhaps it was appropriate? Rick
Reply by ●November 6, 20122012-11-06
On Monday, November 5, 2012 4:42:30 AM UTC-8, Rick Lyons wrote:> ... > Hi Dale, > I've tried more than once to understand that > Goodman and Carey paper, but I failed. > Do you understand that paper well enough to > use their method to design computationally > efficient FIR filters? > > Thanks, > > [-Rick-]Rick I haven't built systems that used "minimal powers of 2" coefficient sets to simplify dedicated hardware, so I haven't used the actual coefficients from the paper. I have designed sets of half-band filters to perform multiple stages of power of 2 desampling and low-pass filtering. I took the model for that from the paper. My specific filter requirements were never the same as the paper. Dale B. Dalrymple
