On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote:>On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >> >>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>> >>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>> >>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>> >>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>>> unacceptable. >>>> >>>> >>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>> commute time. >>>> >>>> boB >>>> >>>> --- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>> http://www.avg.com >>>> >>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >> >> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the >> law in contempt. >> >> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >> >In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass >Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. >Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >damn callsigns if their arses call for that.It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. boB
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Reply by ●May 21, 20172017-05-21
Reply by ●May 21, 20172017-05-21
On 5/21/2017 11:46 AM, boB K7IQ wrote:> On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos > <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: > >> On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>>> >>>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>>> >>>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>>> >>>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>>>> unacceptable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>>> commute time. >>>>> >>>>> boB >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>>> >>>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >>>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >>> >>> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >>> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the >>> law in contempt. >>> >>> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >>> >> In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >> may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >>from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >> monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >> memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass >> Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. >> Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >> with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >> free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >> blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >> people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >> But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >> damn callsigns if their arses call for that. > > > It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. > > You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to > get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. > > boB >Yes, but Greece is NOT USA.Greece is a chaotic shithole.
Reply by ●May 21, 20172017-05-21
On 5/21/2017 9:31 AM, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote:> On 5/21/2017 11:46 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos >> <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: >> >>> On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at >>>>>>>> their web >>>>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I >>>>>>> use to >>>>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more >>>>>>> difficult >>>>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying >>>>>> for a >>>>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>>>> commute time. >>>>>> >>>>>> boB >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>> >>>>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>>>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>>>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they >>>>> have a >>>>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >>>> >>>> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >>>> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that >>>> hold the >>>> law in contempt. >>>> >>>> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >>>> >>> In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >>> may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >>> from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >>> monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >>> memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% >>> to pass >>> Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older >>> equipment. >>> Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >>> with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >>> free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >>> blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >>> people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >>> But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >>> damn callsigns if their arses call for that. >> >> >> It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. >> >> You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to >> get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. >> >> boB >> > Yes, but Greece is NOT USA.Greece is a chaotic shithole.If you like living in a chaotic shithole then quit complaining. Otherwise immigrate.
Reply by ●May 21, 20172017-05-21
On Sun, 21 May 2017 17:31:12 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote:>On 5/21/2017 11:46 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >> On Fri, 19 May 2017 23:02:26 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos >> <vassilis@vask1lux.de> wrote: >> >>> On 5/19/2017 6:39 PM, Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> On Fri, 19 May 2017 14:31:51 +0300, Vassilis Spiliopoulos wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 5/19/2017 8:56 AM, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 18 May 2017 08:18:53 +0100, Tom Gardner >>>>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/05/17 05:30, boB K7IQ wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 May 2017 13:49:28 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>>>>> <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since this is a newsgroup, and this is news... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wescott Design Services is going into remission, while I pursue a >>>>>>>>> day job. Job title is Software Designer 5 at Planar Systems -- so >>>>>>>>> any circuit design or control systems jones will have to be >>>>>>>>> satisfied by hobby work or on the side. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In the near term I'll be finishing up current work with current >>>>>>>>> customers; in the longer term I'll probably concentrate on the >>>>>>>>> educational videos and maybe hobby stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lots of embedded Linux work in my near future, and possibly TDD >>>>>>>>> proselytizing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Planar Systems is one VERY cool company ! I had to look at their web >>>>>>>> site... They even have displays in the SPAM museum !! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder why they want you to clear your cache and cookies before >>>>>>>> applying to a job application ? Maybe so you have to enter >>>>>>>> everything from scratch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That would be unacceptable to me; I have (a few) cookies that I use to >>>>>>> make my life easier on a few frequently visited websites. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Expecting me, without any explanation, to make my life more difficult >>>>>>> for their convenience makes me wonder if they will have that >>>>>>> self-centered (sociopathic?) attitude to employees. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they said /which/ cookies should be deleted, then it would be less >>>>>>> unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I was thinking the same thing. Unacceptable but I'm not applying for a >>>>>> job anyway. But if I were and in the Portland area, it might be a >>>>>> place to look at. Instead of applying online, probably going there >>>>>> in person would be better. Then I would also have a better idea on >>>>>> commute time. >>>>>> >>>>>> boB >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>>>>> http://www.avg.com >>>>>> >>>>> Bob you're a ham?Ahahaha my country's hams are arseholes towards me >>>>> because I am unable to get a licence and I have to broadcast >>>>> illegally.They are a bunch of snobbs who think that because they have a >>>>> paper they can do whatever they want with the radiowaves. >>>> >>>> Dunno about your country, but around here it's easy enough to get a >>>> license that the only people running illegally are the ones that hold the >>>> law in contempt. >>>> >>>> Strangely, we think of them as -- assholes. >>>> >>> In my country the exam dates are set at extremely unsuitable dates eg. >>> may 20 where most people under 25 have university entrance exams.Apart >>>from that, you have to pay a large fee (20 euro---> while the average >>> monthly salary is 600 euro) and the test questions are a bit hard to >>> memorise (especially the technical part).Also you must get over 85% to pass >>> Apart from the questions being outdated and referring to older equipment. >>> Better off illegal and with a fake German callsign than having to deal >>> with snobby fucks who think they own the airwaves.The airwaves should be >>> free to use by anyone.Just sell VHF handhelds with certain settings >>> blocked in order not to cause harmful interference.Or well educate >>> people and enforce severe penalties in cases of non-compliance. >>> But licenses for something so easy?At least they could just sell the >>> damn callsigns if their arses call for that. >> >> >> It is almost too easy to get a license in the USA. >> >> You get to see all of the questions and answers first and only have to >> get 72% correct on the multiple choice test here. >> >> boB >> >Yes, but Greece is NOT USA.Greece is a chaotic shithole.That's what our Democrats aspire to.
Reply by ●May 23, 20172017-05-23
On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:21:12 -0500, Tim Wescott <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote:>> Anybody that /thinks/ will realise that sometimes it is beneficial to do >> a "spike investigation" to quickly validate key concepts from >> top-to-bottom, and then to use that experience to do it "properly" >> using full-blown TDD. > >It's not magic. I've been geeking out on the COSMAC 1802 lately, because >it was the first microprocessor I ever owned (I had an ELF-II kit).Errr...what? Is the 1802 still around? I had one of those too. Even bought the cool looking plexi box that fit on top. I had the instruction set (hex) memorized. BTW, TDD = Test Driven Development, right? That's the way I've always heard it. (not 'design') One of the first things I saw on 'pair programming' and TDD was in a book by a well regarded author. As an illustration of the merits, the two paired programmers devised tests for how to score a bowling game. Then tediously plodded thru a series of red-green lights, while careening wildly, generating hack after hack to turn the light green. At the end I was wondering why they didn't just draw a simple flow chart and code to that. They made the scoring rules look horribly complex. That turned me off to the agile thing right off the bat. But of course TDD does have its merits...at least if you can figure a way to devise the tests. Not always easy, or even possible.
Reply by ●May 23, 20172017-05-23
On 23/05/17 07:30, Max wrote:> On Wed, 17 May 2017 12:21:12 -0500, Tim Wescott > <seemywebsite@myfooter.really> wrote: > >>> Anybody that /thinks/ will realise that sometimes it is beneficial to do >>> a "spike investigation" to quickly validate key concepts from >>> top-to-bottom, and then to use that experience to do it "properly" >>> using full-blown TDD. >> >> It's not magic. I've been geeking out on the COSMAC 1802 lately, because >> it was the first microprocessor I ever owned (I had an ELF-II kit). > > Errr...what? Is the 1802 still around? I had one of those too. Even > bought the cool looking plexi box that fit on top. I had the > instruction set (hex) memorized. > > BTW, TDD = Test Driven Development, right? That's the way I've always > heard it. (not 'design') > > One of the first things I saw on 'pair programming' and TDD was in a > book by a well regarded author. As an illustration of the merits, the > two paired programmers devised tests for how to score a bowling game. > Then tediously plodded thru a series of red-green lights, while > careening wildly, generating hack after hack to turn the light green. > At the end I was wondering why they didn't just draw a simple flow > chart and code to that. They made the scoring rules look horribly > complex.Just so. Any process can be taken to silly extremes, and teachers/zealots will often do just that :(> That turned me off to the agile thing right off the bat.Be careful of "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"!> But of > course TDD does have its merits...at least if you can figure a way to > devise the tests. Not always easy, or even possible.Just so. When I've come across zealots that claim it is always desirable to use TDD, I've asked them to outline how TDD would be used to (choose appropriate subset): - create a database engine with ACID properties - ensure a database is being used with the necessary set of ACID properties - ensure high availability system failover behaviour - ensure metastable behaviour for synchronisers - ensure there are no missing necessary "bridging terms" in asynchronous logic - ensure there is no undesirable "emergent behaviour" such as oscillation under load They look baffled and try to change the subject. Even so, TDD and agile are valuable when used in appropriate circumstances - typically involving gradual implementation of many /small/ product features within an environment which is known to guarantee the /overall system/ properties.
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