simultaneous frequence and phase estimation

Stephan M. Bernsee wrote:

> I agree. However, in Eckards case, we have yet to observe the phenomenon!

No problem. Look at the data by Shamma and by Secker-Walker and Searle.

I am aware of their work, but I cannot see any connection between that
and your claims.

--smb

Eckard Blumschein <blumschein@et.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote in message news:<40B6CC1D.1030909@et.uni-magdeburg.de>...
> Stephan M. Bernsee wrote:
> 
> > I agree. However, in Eckards case, we have yet to observe the phenomenon!
> 
> No problem. Look at the data by Shamma and by Secker-Walker and Searle.

Just compare e.g. Fig. 12 with Fig. 11 of M. Bollerott et al.: 
Softwaremodell der nat�rlichen Cochlea. ACUSTIA 82(1996).

Alternatively look at the auditory nerve fibre response to a stopped 
vowel by Secker-Walker and Searl in JASA (1990) 1427-1436.

The difference between measurement and theory tells all.

You might also look at Figs. 3A, 4A in Lin and Guinan Jr. JASA 107 (5), 
Pt. 1, May 2000, p. 2619, p. 2620, respectively.

Eckard

Stephan M. Bernsee wrote:
> I am aware of their work, but I cannot see any connection between that
> and your claims.

Eckard Blumschein wrote:

> Jerry Avins wrote:
> 
>> When a phenomenon is faster (shorter, longer, stronger, ...) than
>> theoretically possible, it's time to revise the theory. 
> 
> 
> This was the claim of Nimtz. However, he just misinterpreted the 
> preconditions and assumptions of his strange measurement.
> Before demanding a revision of theory one should check whether or not it 
> is correctly applied. The same confusion was with causality. If I recall 
> correctly, someone famous called it a relic of bygone time.
> Laws of nature are tricky sometimes.
> 
> Eckard

Indeed they are! I don't have enough background with auditory perception 
to evaluate your work or anyone else's. I have observed that many valid 
observations (in many fields) are dismissed because they are accompanied 
by weird explanations. (You must season a wok this way .... Seasoning is 
important because it fills the pores in the steel.)

Jerry
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> I have observed that many valid 
> observations (in many fields) are dismissed because they are accompanied 
> by weird explanations. 

In case of hearing, Seebeck did not have any chance to convince Ohm 
because, if I am correct, cochlear frequency analysis is just the first 
step of a joint autocorrelation analysis.


(You must season a wok this way .... Seasoning is
> important because it fills the pores in the steel.)

Unfortunately my dictionary does not mention any wok. What about 
seasoning of steel I have no clue. Perhaps, a so calles Siemens-Martin 
furnace does the job. Incidentally, it is named after the Frenchman 
Martin and the German born Englishman Sir William Siemens. He was the 
second of age among 12 children. Because the parens early died, his big 
brother Werner had no chance but to join the kings army in Magdeburg. 
What he learned at an artillery school in Berlin from Ohm in mathematics 
he tought to little Wilhelm, who later mutated to William after he had 
managed to sell Werner's first invention in England where he stood for 
good and was elected for nobility independently of his brother Werner 
von S.

Happy Whitsuntide,
Eckard

Eckard Blumschein wrote:

> Jerry Avins wrote:
> 
>> I have observed that many valid observations (in many fields) are 
>> dismissed because they are accompanied by weird explanations. 
> 
> 
> In case of hearing, Seebeck did not have any chance to convince Ohm 
> because, if I am correct, cochlear frequency analysis is just the first 
> step of a joint autocorrelation analysis.
> 
> 
> (You must season a wok this way .... Seasoning is
> 
>> important because it fills the pores in the steel.)
> 
> 
> Unfortunately my dictionary does not mention any wok. What about 
> seasoning of steel I have no clue. Perhaps, a so calles Siemens-Martin 
> furnace does the job. Incidentally, it is named after the Frenchman 
> Martin and the German born Englishman Sir William Siemens. He was the 
> second of age among 12 children. Because the parens early died, his big 
> brother Werner had no chance but to join the kings army in Magdeburg. 
> What he learned at an artillery school in Berlin from Ohm in mathematics 
> he tought to little Wilhelm, who later mutated to William after he had 
> managed to sell Werner's first invention in England where he stood for 
> good and was elected for nobility independently of his brother Werner 
> von S.
> 
> Happy Whitsuntide,
> Eckard

A wok is a spun or hammered steel Chinese cooking utensil that is part
of a sphere. (The center height is about R/4.) It is used in a circular
opening over a fire. See http://users.erols.com/jyavins/season.htm about
seasoning cookware. We use one for stir frying.

I worked for Siemens Corporate Research for several years before
retiring.

Jerry
-- 
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Eckard is German, "Wok" is the same word in German as it is in
English, so I bet he knows the word but he probably just didn't
recognize it in the context of this discussion...

--smb

Stephan M. Bernsee wrote:

> Eckard is German, "Wok" is the same word in German as it is in
> English, so I bet he knows the word but he probably just didn't
> recognize it in the context of this discussion...
> 
> --smb

It's transliterated from a Chinese dialect, very likely Cantonese. I 
wonder what it is in, say, Spanish. My apologies to Eckard for using 
wide-ranging references. Wenn nur mein Deutch so gut wie sein Englisch 
waren!

Jerry
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Jerry Avins wrote:
> Stephan M. Bernsee wrote:
> 
>> Eckard is German, "Wok" is the same word in German as it is in
>> English, so I bet he knows the word but he probably just didn't
>> recognize it in the context of this discussion...

I have to confess my ignorance: I did not know the word in German 
either, perhaps because I disdain TV.

> Wenn nur mein Deutch so gut wie sein Englisch 
> waren!

I appreciate the fact that we have a common language. I feel myself in a 
much better position as compared e.g. with people from China because 
English is pretty close to German. Do not worry if my command of English 
is still somewhat shaky. I started communicating in English when I was 
already fifty years old.    I

http://iesk.et.uni-magdeburg.de/~blumsche/M275.html

Eckard

Eckard Blumschein <blumschein@et.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote:
> I have to confess my ignorance: I did not know the word in German 
> either, perhaps because I disdain TV.

The last time I moved I left my TV behind. I really missed it for
about a week or so, but then no more. It was then when I realized how
much time I actually spent watching totally brain dead TV shows
instead of reading a good book or spending more time with my friends.
I can encourage everyone to do the same, it really adds to the quality
of life - especially since you can get all the news on the 'net as
well.

Eckard, may I recommend that you should eat out more often - Chinese
food is both lecker and gesund! :-)

> > Wenn nur mein Deutch so gut wie sein Englisch 
> > waren!
> 
> I appreciate the fact that we have a common language. I feel myself in a 
> much better position as compared e.g. with people from China because 
> English is pretty close to German. Do not worry if my command of English 
> is still somewhat shaky. I started communicating in English when I was 
> already fifty years old.

If you don't mind my asking, how old are you now? 

Do you have a personal page at the Uni Magdeburg? I couldn't find you
there, and the only person I know I could ask there is at the CS
department... ;-)

--smb

Btw. I finally managed to find your (somewhat awkwardly
labelled/documented) M.doc file that at least shows what you're
talking about. At least I see now where you're going, even though I
still see no facts that would support your claims about superior
resolution...