Hi All- I was wondering if some one could help me what reasons go into product obsolence by TI? I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is acknoledged to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically on would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB (6416 based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? I think it is no secrete here that am confused! --Bhooshan _________________________________________________________________ Life on the fast track! Get hooked to it! http://server1.msn.co.in/sp04/tataracing/ Meet the champs! |
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Obsolete Tools: TEB, C6211 etc...
Started by ●November 29, 2004
Reply by ●November 30, 20042004-11-30
Bhooshan- > I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is acknoledged > to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically on > would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB (6416 > based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being > introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: -JTAG data does not go through USB-JTAG interface -has HPI port option With DSK C6713 board, the maximum host data rate is about 20 kbyte/sec, which means it's not suitable for video daughtercard, streaming audio data to disk file, etc. -Jeff |
Reply by ●November 30, 20042004-11-30
Jeff Brower wrote: > > Bhooshan- > > > I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is acknoledged > > to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically on > > would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB (6416 > > based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being > > introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? > > DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > -JTAG data does not go through USB-JTAG interface > > -has HPI port option > > With DSK C6713 board, the maximum host data rate is about 20 kbyte/sec, which means > it's not suitable for video daughtercard, streaming audio data to disk file, etc. > > -Jeff > I do not know this for a fact, but Spectrum Digital has a C6413 {I think} DSK. This I think is the replacement for the TEB. Regds JS |
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Reply by ●November 30, 20042004-11-30
Bhooshan and others,
A couple of clues are in the acronyms - but when you really look at the
life cycles of various products, it is still a bit confusing.
The following is my understanding [and opinion]...
TEB - Test Evaluation Board. Normally for early adopters of a new
device. the 6416 TEB supported the initial C64x device that was
available. examples and peripherals may be limited for TEBs. These
have a JTAG header and require an emulator.
DSK - DSP Starter Kit. A turnkey package that is low cost, has an on
board emulator, has audio I/O, and example/tutorial programs. Intened for entry
level DSP development.
EVM - EValuation Module. A "professional grade" development platform,
requires an external emulator, may or may not have a 'vertical'
focus.
The 6416 TEB was replaced by the 6416 DSK.
I think that jeff's 6711/6713 DSK comments may be accurate.
mikedunn
Jagadeesh Sankaran <s...@ti.com> wrote:
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Reply by ●November 30, 20042004-11-30
Jeff- >DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: Isnt the traditional idea that a USB device communicates faster than a paralell port? ( I may be wrong here because i have not idea about the USB technology) Then how come the 6711 communicates faster with the host than the 6713? Mike- Thanks for your comments but as you said the big business picture is still vague. I made some further digging in the TI website and discovered some more shocking details. Almost all the C6x EVM's are obsolete! including: 670x EVM's and 620x EVM's and the sites dont give info on why they were discontinued just that the alternate device to use is c6713. Thats it! Its a different issue that they still sell those same chips in volumes but no more EVM platforms! As far as i can see there are only DSK's in the C6000 stable now! -C6711 -C6712 -C6713 -C6416 -DM Series -and app dev kits Could it be because the DSK's were more than adequate for product development than the heavily priced EVM's? ps: Still looking for the TI definition of the word "obsolete" --Bhooshan ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mike Dunn <> To: Jagadeesh Sankaran <>, Jeff Brower <> CC: Bhooshan Iyer <>, Subject: Re: [c6x] Obsolete Tools: TEB, C6211 etc... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) Bhooshan and others, A couple of clues are in the acronyms - but when you really look at the life cycles of various products, it is still a bit confusing. The following is my understanding [and opinion]... TEB - Test Evaluation Board. Normally for early adopters of a new device. the 6416 TEB supported the initial C64x device that was available. examples and peripherals may be limited for TEBs. These have a JTAG header and require an emulator. DSK - DSP Starter Kit. A turnkey package that is low cost, has an on board emulator, has audio I/O, and example/tutorial programs. Intened for entry level DSP development. EVM - EValuation Module. A "professional grade" development platform, requires an external emulator, may or may not have a 'vertical' focus. The 6416 TEB was replaced by the 6416 DSK. I think that jeff's 6711/6713 DSK comments may be accurate. mikedunn Jagadeesh Sankaran <> wrote: Jeff Brower wrote: > > Bhooshan- > > > I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is acknoledged > > to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically on > > would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB (6416 > > based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being > > introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? > > DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > -JTAG data does not go through USB-JTAG interface > > -has HPI port option > > With DSK C6713 board, the maximum host data rate is about 20 kbyte/sec, which means > it's not suitable for video daughtercard, streaming audio data to disk file, etc. > > -Jeff > I do not know this for a fact, but Spectrum Digital has a C6413 {I think} DSK. This I think is the replacement for the TEB. Regds JS _____________________________________ Note: If you do a simple "reply" with your email client, only the author of this message will receive your answer. You need to do a "reply all" if you want your answer to be distributed to the entire group. _____________________________________ About this discussion group: To Join: Send an email to To Post: Send an email to To Leave: Send an email to Archives: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/c6x Other Groups: http://www.dsprelated.com Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC! Call in the experts! http://www.msn.co.in/security/ Click here now! |
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Reply by ●November 30, 20042004-11-30
Bhooshan- > >DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > Isnt the traditional idea that a USB device communicates faster than a > paralell port? ( I may be wrong here because i have not idea about the USB > technology) > > Then how come the 6711 communicates faster with the host than the 6713? Ah Bhooshan, you are theoretical today. Yes of course it should be that way. The JTAG controller chip - USB interface -- and the way it was implemented in practice -- is the issue. -Jeff > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mike Dunn <> > To: Jagadeesh Sankaran <>, Jeff Brower > <> > CC: Bhooshan Iyer <>, > Subject: Re: [c6x] Obsolete Tools: TEB, C6211 etc... > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) > > Bhooshan and others, > > A couple of clues are in the acronyms - but when you really look at the life > cycles of various products, it is still a bit confusing. > The following is my understanding [and opinion]... > > TEB - Test Evaluation Board. Normally for early adopters of a new device. > the 6416 TEB supported the initial C64x device that was available. examples > and peripherals may be limited for TEBs. These have a JTAG header and > require an emulator. > DSK - DSP Starter Kit. A turnkey package that is low cost, has an on board > emulator, has audio I/O, and example/tutorial programs. Intened for entry > level DSP development. > EVM - EValuation Module. A "professional grade" development platform, > requires an external emulator, may or may not have a 'vertical' focus. > > The 6416 TEB was replaced by the 6416 DSK. > I think that jeff's 6711/6713 DSK comments may be accurate. > > mikedunn > Jagadeesh Sankaran <> wrote: > > Jeff Brower wrote: > > > > Bhooshan- > > > > > I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is > acknoledged > > > to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically > on > > > would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB > (6416 > > > based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being > > > introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? > > > > DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > > > -JTAG data does not go through USB-JTAG interface > > > > -has HPI port option > > > > With DSK C6713 board, the maximum host data rate is about 20 kbyte/sec, > which means > > it's not suitable for video daughtercard, streaming audio data to disk > file, etc. > > > > -Jeff > > > I do not know this for a fact, but Spectrum Digital has a C6413 {I > think} DSK. This > I think is the replacement for the TEB. > > Regds > JS > > _____________________________________ > Note: If you do a simple "reply" with your email client, only the author of > this message will receive your answer. You need to do a "reply all" if you > want your answer to be distributed to the entire group. > > _____________________________________ > About this discussion group: > > To Join: Send an email to > > To Post: Send an email to > > To Leave: Send an email to > > Archives: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/c6x > > Other Groups: http://www.dsprelated.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC! Call in the experts! http://www.msn.co.in/security/ Click > here now! |
Reply by ●December 3, 20042004-12-03
Bhooshan - FYI,
RE: EVMs
At least one person at TI has indicated that they want to ensure that
DSK-type platforms are "available for the masses" and that TI would only pursue
'selected' vertical EVMs. Their intent is to leave space for
their third parties to deliver additional 'EVM-type' products [both
vertical and general purpose] to the market.
RE: 6201/6701 EVMs
The first TI 6201 EVM that I used [the design hasn't changed] had a
'pre-Code Composer' TI debugger and ran on Windows 95 [Win 98 was
still 'on the way']. I suspect that it has a few obsolete
parts on it.
mikedunn
Bhooshan iyer <b...@hotmail.com> wrote: Jeff- |
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Reply by ●December 3, 20042004-12-03
Thanks Mike! It makes more sense now that you have offered some very clear insights over two different mails but the problem is that in the normal course of events i wouldnt have posted this query and would have ended carrying some micconception. And also these shifts in strategy and positioning is easily explained even by TI employees! So thanks a lot! --Bhooshan Bhooshan - FYI, RE: EVMs At least one person at TI has indicated that they want to ensure that DSK-type platforms are "available for the masses" and that TI would only pursue 'selected' vertical EVMs. Their intent is to leave space for their third parties to deliver additional 'EVM-type' products [both vertical and general purpose] to the market. RE: 6201/6701 EVMs The first TI 6201 EVM that I used [the design hasn't changed] had a 'pre-Code Composer' TI debugger and ran on Windows 95 [Win 98 was still 'on the way']. I suspect that it has a few obsolete parts on it. mikedunn Bhooshan iyer <> wrote: Jeff- >DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: Isnt the traditional idea that a USB device communicates faster than a paralell port? ( I may be wrong here because i have not idea about the USB technology) Then how come the 6711 communicates faster with the host than the 6713? Mike- Thanks for your comments but as you said the big business picture is still vague. I made some further digging in the TI website and discovered some more shocking details. Almost all the C6x EVM's are obsolete! including: 670x EVM's and 620x EVM's and the sites dont give info on why they were discontinued just that the alternate device to use is c6713. Thats it! Its a different issue that they still sell those same chips in volumes but no more EVM platforms! As far as i can see there are only DSK's in the C6000 stable now! -C6711 -C6712 -C6713 -C6416 -DM Series -and app dev kits Could it be because the DSK's were more than adequate for product development than the heavily priced EVM's? ps: Still looking for the TI definition of the word "obsolete" --Bhooshan ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mike Dunn To: Jagadeesh Sankaran , Jeff Brower CC: Bhooshan Iyer , Subject: Re: [c6x] Obsolete Tools: TEB, C6211 etc... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) Bhooshan and others, A couple of clues are in the acronyms - but when you really look at the life cycles of various products, it is still a bit confusing. The following is my understanding [and opinion]... TEB - Test Evaluation Board. Normally for early adopters of a new device. the 6416 TEB supported the initial C64x device that was available. examples and peripherals may be limited for TEBs. These have a JTAG header and require an emulator. DSK - DSP Starter Kit. A turnkey package that is low cost, has an on board emulator, has audio I/O, and example/tutorial programs. Intened for entry level DSP development. EVM - EValuation Module. A "professional grade" development platform, requires an external emulator, may or may not have a 'vertical' focus. The 6416 TEB was replaced by the 6416 DSK. I think that jeff's 6711/6713 DSK comments may be accurate. mikedunn Jagadeesh Sankaran wrote: Jeff Brower wrote: > > Bhooshan- > > > I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is acknoledged > > to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically on > > would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB (6416 > > based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being > > introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? > > DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > -JTAG data does not go through USB-JTAG interface > > -has HPI port option > > With DSK C6713 board, the maximum host data rate is about 20 kbyte/sec, which means > it's not suitable for video daughtercard, streaming audio data to disk file, etc. > > -Jeff > I do not know this for a fact, but Spectrum Digital has a C6413 {I think} DSK. This I think is the replacement for the TEB. Regds JS _____________________________________ Note: If you do a simple "reply" with your email client, only the author of this message will receive your answer. You need to do a "reply all" if you want your answer to be distributed to the entire group. _____________________________________ About this discussion group: To Join: Send an email to To Post: Send an email to To Leave: Send an email to Archives: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/c6x Other Groups: http://www.dsprelated.com Yahoo! Groups Links _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC! Call in the experts! http://www.msn.co.in/security/ Click here now! _________________________________________________________________ Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for all your property needs. |
Reply by ●December 3, 20042004-12-03
Oops! >And also these shifts in strategy and positioning is easily > explained even by TI employees Full of typos! Arggg... that must be the most incoherent reply ever! I meant *Not* easily explained *even* by TI employees! --Bhooshan > > Thanks Mike! > It makes more sense now that you have offered some very clear insights over > two different mails but the problem is that in the normal course of events i > wouldnt have posted this query and would have ended carrying some > micconception. And also these shifts in strategy and positioning is easily > explained even by TI employees! > > So thanks a lot! > > --Bhooshan > > Bhooshan - FYI, > > RE: EVMs > At least one person at TI has indicated that they want to ensure that > DSK-type platforms are "available for the masses" and that TI would only > pursue 'selected' vertical EVMs. Their intent is to leave space for their > third parties to deliver additional 'EVM-type' products [both vertical and > general purpose] to the market. > > RE: 6201/6701 EVMs > The first TI 6201 EVM that I used [the design hasn't changed] had a > 'pre-Code Composer' TI debugger and ran on Windows 95 [Win 98 was still 'on > the way']. I suspect that it has a few obsolete parts on it. > > mikedunn > > Bhooshan iyer <bhooshaniyer@h...> wrote: > Jeff- > > >DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > Isnt the traditional idea that a USB device communicates faster than a > paralell port? ( I may be wrong here because i have not idea about the USB > technology) > > Then how come the 6711 communicates faster with the host than the 6713? > > Mike- > Thanks for your comments but as you said the big business picture is still > vague. I made some further digging in the TI website and discovered some > more shocking details. Almost all the C6x EVM's are obsolete! including: > 670x EVM's and 620x EVM's and the sites dont give info on why they were > discontinued just that the alternate device to use is c6713. Thats it! > > Its a different issue that they still sell those same chips in volumes but > no more EVM platforms! > > As far as i can see there are only DSK's in the C6000 stable now! > > -C6711 > -C6712 > -C6713 > -C6416 > -DM Series > -and app dev kits > > Could it be because the DSK's were more than adequate for product > development than the heavily priced EVM's? > > ps: Still looking for the TI definition of the word "obsolete" > > --Bhooshan > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Mike Dunn > To: Jagadeesh Sankaran , Jeff Brower > > CC: Bhooshan Iyer , > Subject: Re: [c6x] Obsolete Tools: TEB, C6211 etc... > Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:19:30 -0800 (PST) > > Bhooshan and others, > > A couple of clues are in the acronyms - but when you really look at the life > cycles of various products, it is still a bit confusing. > The following is my understanding [and opinion]... > > TEB - Test Evaluation Board. Normally for early adopters of a new device. > the 6416 TEB supported the initial C64x device that was available. examples > and peripherals may be limited for TEBs. These have a JTAG header and > require an emulator. > DSK - DSP Starter Kit. A turnkey package that is low cost, has an on board > emulator, has audio I/O, and example/tutorial programs. Intened for entry > level DSP development. > EVM - EValuation Module. A "professional grade" development platform, > requires an external emulator, may or may not have a 'vertical' focus. > > The 6416 TEB was replaced by the 6416 DSK. > I think that jeff's 6711/6713 DSK comments may be accurate. > > mikedunn > Jagadeesh Sankaran wrote: > Jeff Brower wrote: > > > > Bhooshan- > > > > > I am quite intrigued by the fact that, TMS320C6713 DSk, which is > acknoledged > > > to be a revision on C6711 co-exists with the latter whereas logically > on > > > would have thought C6711 was a good candidate for retirement? And TEB > (6416 > > > based test and evaluation board) was made obsolete inspite of it being > > > introduced only a couple of years back? What has replaced TEB? > > > > DSK C6711 has higher performance in host transfer rates because: > > > > -JTAG data does not go through USB-JTAG interface > > > > -has HPI port option > > > > With DSK C6713 board, the maximum host data rate is about 20 kbyte/sec, > which means > > it's not suitable for video daughtercard, streaming audio data to disk > file, etc. > > > > -Jeff > > > I do not know this for a fact, but Spectrum Digital has a C6413 {I > think} DSK. This > I think is the replacement for the TEB. > > Regds > JS > _____________________________________ > Note: If you do a simple "reply" with your email client, only the author of > this message will receive your answer. You need to do a "reply all" if you > want your answer to be distributed to the entire group. > > _____________________________________ > About this discussion group: > > To Join: Send an email to > > To Post: Send an email to > > To Leave: Send an email to > > Archives: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/c6x > > Other Groups: http://www.dsprelated.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC! Call in the experts! http://www.msn.co.in/security/ Click > here now! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Searching for that dream home? Try http://ninemsn.realestate.com.au for > all your property needs. _________________________________________________________________ SEEK: Now with over 60,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail |