Abandon your feeling of self importance and you will be free. VLV Grant Griffin wrote:> robert bristow-johnson wrote: > >> On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, pinkisntwell <pinkisntw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The fact that you have written about a page of text so far while >>> avoiding the question, suggests that you're the prime example of what >>> you're accusing me of. Never mind, good luck with your shitty life. >> >> >> so pinkisntwell or commegnr or whomever is next have to pay for asking >> (possibly naive) questions here by enduring some pretty nasty abuse? >> i thought it was only Vlad that they had to watch out for. >> >> i confess that i have gotten into some nasty tiffs here, but it was >> not with those openly asking basic questions. >> >> so they didn't read the book; tell them to read the book. > > > Better yet, give them a link to something - possibly an online book like > the Smith book. > >> >> so they read the book and didn't get it; tell them to read it again. >> >> so they want you to do their homework; tell them to do their own >> homework or ask their prof or class teaching assistant. >> >> so they are trying to do something with a little more sophistication >> than they had before; tell them to hire you to do it (i don't mind >> seeing Vlad say that). >> >> when i get in fights here, it's almost always with another know-it-all >> (i'm the pot calling the kettle "black") who "knows" something that i >> may "know" is not entirely correct. >> >> but, pleeeeeze, don't bite the newbies. it makes me cringe. > > > Speaking as a newbie here, I wholeheartedly agree. > > My own experience with this is as a newbie in comp.lang.python years > ago. There's one character there who answers a lot of questions and has > made great contributions to Python over the years. However, he does it > in such a tart and unloving way that he generates (or whatever the > proper term is) very little, if any, good Karma in the process. And if > we aren't generating (net) good Karma, why are we doing this? > > There are very few books that can change your life (aside from the Holy > book of one's choice, of course), but one I found a couple of years ago > is "How to Win Friends and Influence People", by Dale Carnegie. I know, > I know, it sounds corney. But it's loaded with good advice. Even the > title is a lesson: the *goal* is to win friends an influence people > (which, coincidently, is not incompatible with good Karma or the Holy > book of one's choice.) > > One key concept I found is the phrase "feeling of importance". This > also is called things like "ego", but that isn't nearly as insightful of > a term - it's just a word that Siggy Freud stole from the Greeks or > somebody. But "feeling of importance" is a real insight. We tend to > lash out when someone challenges our feeling of importance. Also, > sometimes we increase our feeling of importance by decreasing the > feeling of importance of others, aka, bashing newbies - which is all too > common in newsgroups. > > As it turns out, most human interactions involve some exchange of > feeling of importance. A waiter is rude to you. Your boss tells you > that you did a good job. Your kids kiss you at the door. Someone gives > you the finger when you cut them off in the car. Although many of > these, most exchanges of feeling of importance can be a win-win > situation. In fact, one of the very *best* ways to feel important is to > make others feel important. > > So, the best way to respond in comp.dsp (or elsewhere) is to heap > knowledge, understanding, and praise on newbies. But even with this > understanding, if you're imperfect like most of us, you'll find yourself > indulging in a little lashing out every now and then. Just try to keep > it to the bare minimum. > >> >> oh, BTW (here comes a self-serving plug...), if you live in or near >> NYC, do not miss this gig: > > > Darn, I haven't been there since the 1963 World's Fair. I was too young > to remember it (Jerry, help me out here. ;-), but luckily the "Carousel > of Progress" and "It's a Small World" perpetually grind on wherever > Disney reigns. That said, there's no denying that it *is* a small world > after all (QED). > >> >> http://eve-fest.org >> >> http://bk.knittingfactory.com/event-details/?tfly_event_id=3125 > > > > >> unless you like to keep your hosiery on. > > > It's not really my personal preference, but I tend to go along with the > consensus around my place. > > Grant >
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Dr. Rune, you good man, despite of being weenie leftist :))) VLV Rune Allnor wrote:> On 11 Des, 08:52, robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> > wrote: > >>On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, pinkisntwell <pinkisntw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>The fact that you have written about a page of text so far while >>>avoiding the question, suggests that you're the prime example of what >>>you're accusing me of. Never mind, good luck with your shitty life. >> >>so pinkisntwell or commegnr or whomever is next have to pay for asking >>(possibly naive) questions here by enduring some pretty nasty abuse? >>i thought it was only Vlad that they had to watch out for. > > > Did *you* read the first couple of posts in this thread? > > First of all this guy is a megalomaniac at the outset, where > he doesn't ask 'why is this wrong', but 'why isn't the blunder > I made mentioned in the textbook.' Second, he mixes terminology > from more than a couple of different design methods (IIRs vs > FIRs; impulse invariance vs window method). The guy has at best > browsed the book, and when he is probed about exactly what > he is up to, he reacts like our old friend JJ. > > The guy is an illiterate megalomaniac. The only question here > is how to make him aware of the fact. You might prefer to > tip-toe around such stuff; I don't. > > Rune
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On 12/11/2009 6:41 AM, Grant Griffin wrote:> robert bristow-johnson wrote: >> On Dec 10, 2:16 pm, pinkisntwell <pinkisntw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The fact that you have written about a page of text so far while >>> avoiding the question, suggests that you're the prime example of what >>> you're accusing me of. Never mind, good luck with your shitty life. >> >> so pinkisntwell or commegnr or whomever is next have to pay for asking >> (possibly naive) questions here by enduring some pretty nasty abuse? >> i thought it was only Vlad that they had to watch out for. >> >> i confess that i have gotten into some nasty tiffs here, but it was >> not with those openly asking basic questions. >> >> so they didn't read the book; tell them to read the book. > > Better yet, give them a link to something - possibly an online book like > the Smith book. > >> >> so they read the book and didn't get it; tell them to read it again. >> >> so they want you to do their homework; tell them to do their own >> homework or ask their prof or class teaching assistant. >> >> so they are trying to do something with a little more sophistication >> than they had before; tell them to hire you to do it (i don't mind >> seeing Vlad say that). >> >> when i get in fights here, it's almost always with another know-it-all >> (i'm the pot calling the kettle "black") who "knows" something that i >> may "know" is not entirely correct.I try to reserve such engagements similarly, or for those who've just flat out attacked the people trying to help them (like JJ).>> but, pleeeeeze, don't bite the newbies. it makes me cringe. > > Speaking as a newbie here, I wholeheartedly agree.I tend to be with you guys. I've been a beginner at a lot of thing that I wound up being pretty good at later. These are things that I enjoy immensely (music, racing, etc.), and getting constructive encouragement from those who've gone on before is far more useful than hostility. That being said, in this group there's a balance to be had for not opening the door too wide for those who want their homework done for them, or every little technical fantasy analyzed, or whatever. I'll admit to having responded more roughly than I should have in some cases, and I do think the tone here gets pretty bad sometimes. Jerry gets a pass because he's earned the right to be grumpy in my opinion. ;) -- Eric Jacobsen Minister of Algorithms Abineau Communications http://www.abineau.com
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Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacobsen@ieee.org> writes:> [...] > I'll admit to having responded more roughly than I should have in some > cases, and I do think the tone here gets pretty bad sometimes. Jerry > gets a pass because he's earned the right to be grumpy in my opinion. > ;)Agreed! -- Randy Yates % "She tells me that she likes me very much, Digital Signal Labs % but when I try to touch, she makes it mailto://yates@ieee.org % all too clear." http://www.digitalsignallabs.com % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO
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On Dec 11, 9:33�am, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:> Okay Robert, > > If you enjoy spoon feeding imbecilles for charity, I got some for you. > But be careful with those pets - they bite. Should I forward all stupid > requests that I am receiving to you? > You see, there is quite enough of idiots in real life; at least it seems > possible to clean them up from here. Why can't they go where they > belong, something like alt.moron.help.with.homework or such? >no, don't send me no charity cases. most of the time when i see a panhandler in Cambridge or Boston (or NYC when i get down there), i walk by and ignore them. once in a while, i toss them change, only if i feel like it. i don't stop there and make a considerable effort berating them. compared to before, have you guys noticed how little i post here anymore? my attitude is; if i have nothing to add, or if there are no fun little jollies to be had, or if i have no idea what the answer is, or if i don't feel like it, i don't bother. *sometimes* i feel like it and i bother. and fewer of those times, i end up writing a small treatise here (because that's what would happen if we were in personal conversation and such a subject came up, pity the poor people who are trapped and have to listen - sometimes that happens at an AES thing or in a work context). sometimes i've taken pleasure going after and taking down a pompous and arrogant person here. hell, if we get another one, i might just pile on and get in a few licks myself. but beating up newbies is just no fun and when i see such happening in the playground, i cringe. r b-j
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Eric Jacobsen wrote:> ... Jerry > gets a pass because he's earned the right to be grumpy in my opinion. ;)[Aw, gee, fellas!] Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
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robert bristow-johnson wrote:> On Dec 11, 9:33 am, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote: >> Okay Robert, >> >> If you enjoy spoon feeding imbecilles for charity, I got some for you. >> But be careful with those pets - they bite. Should I forward all stupid >> requests that I am receiving to you? >> You see, there is quite enough of idiots in real life; at least it seems >> possible to clean them up from here. Why can't they go where they >> belong, something like alt.moron.help.with.homework or such? >> > > no, don't send me no charity cases. most of the time when i see a > panhandler in Cambridge or Boston (or NYC when i get down there), i > walk by and ignore them. once in a while, i toss them change, only if > i feel like it. i don't stop there and make a considerable effort > berating them. > > compared to before, have you guys noticed how little i post here > anymore? my attitude is; if i have nothing to add, or if there are no > fun little jollies to be had, or if i have no idea what the answer is, > or if i don't feel like it, i don't bother. *sometimes* i feel like > it and i bother. and fewer of those times, i end up writing a small > treatise here (because that's what would happen if we were in personal > conversation and such a subject came up, pity the poor people who are > trapped and have to listen - sometimes that happens at an AES thing or > in a work context). > > sometimes i've taken pleasure going after and taking down a pompous > and arrogant person here. hell, if we get another one, i might just > pile on and get in a few licks myself. but beating up newbies is just > no fun and when i see such happening in the playground, i cringe. > > > r b-jRobert, I am more than a little puzzled by your complaint. This is definitely not a case of some hapless newbie being monstered. Rune posted a couple of short, very relevant questions that went to the heart of the newbie's problem. Possibly the newbie misunderstood the intent of the questions, because he replied: "If you want to help, by all means do so. If not, try to find something better to do than what you're doing right now. And yes, it does say so in the book, as the authors are windowing a "desired impulse response", most of the time corresponding to a bandpass filter, so said impulse response is infinite. If you want more info about the book, you can read it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up." Rune's response, to abuse hell out of him, was natural and understandable. I was also highly entertaining. Regards, John
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> but, pleeeeeze, don't bite the newbies. it makes me cringe.I concur. I haven't lurked on comp.dsp for quite a while. I recently returned, only to find that 1) the SNR has gone down (spammers), and 2) the /tone/ has gone into the toilet. I mean, I understand if you're not interested in doing someone's homework, but FFS, it escapes me why someone would expend the energy to be such a dick about it? Rick Armstrong
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Rick Armstrong wrote:>> but, pleeeeeze, don't bite the newbies. it makes me cringe. > > I concur. I haven't lurked on comp.dsp for quite a while. I recently > returned, only to find that 1) the SNR has gone down (spammers), and 2) > the /tone/ has gone into the toilet. I mean, I understand if you're not > interested in doing someone's homework, but FFS, it escapes me why > someone would expend the energy to be such a dick about it?It's often the newbies who start it. It's sometimes is if you toss a beggar a buck and he berates you for his paranoid impression that you sneered while doing it. We were collectively berated one time by someone who didn't think his question was answered completely or promptly enough. He threatened to report us to the management for not doing what we were paid to do. The exchange between pinkisntwell and Rune is an example. Rune was civil long after he couldn't be faulted for being otherwise. Pinkisntwell was too pigheaded (or swell headed) to see that Rune was guiding, not deriding him. It may be embarrassing to learn that one is completely wrong, but that'd no reason to lash out at the messenger. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
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Hi Jerry,> The exchange between pinkisntwell and Rune is an example.So, I re-read this thread and I see that I've picked the wrong thread to bring it up. Still, it seems like I've seen a lot of this sort of exchange: confused> Oh, by the way, since the data is not cyclic, confused> I can't do Fast convolution via DFT not_confused> IDIOT! or no_clue> So, I don't get it... dsp_pro> YOU'RE A BIG STUPIDENT! It just seems like the tone here has dipped toward "schoolyard". Rick Armstrong
